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03-22-2010, 03:53 PM
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03-22-2010, 04:21 PM
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THAT SUCKS
Hell yes,,,if you put oil and water in it and made sure everything was good before driving it I would hold them responsable for EVERYTHING
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03-22-2010, 04:43 PM
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Terry usually does great work, I'm very interested to hear what the problem is.
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03-22-2010, 05:16 PM
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wow. if it does turn out to be eastview's fault, I wont be surprised. My previous post outlines the problems I've had with them. Seems like their work has just gone downhill. I hope you have better luck dealing with them than i did. sorry for your troubles tho, i can definitely empathize.
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03-22-2010, 07:04 PM
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03-22-2010, 07:09 PM
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I am curious as well. Getting a machine shop to claim responsibility for something like this seems to be near impossible. I'm sure you installed it, did some finishing touches, put oil in it, and started it for the first time. They will always have a way out unless they are honestly THAT stand-up. I've never heard of any machine shop (around here) to be that confident and kind.
Just wanted to put my 2 cents on shops...I've used HAAS and wasn't terribly impressed (especially with the price), Bell did my last go round and while it wasn't overly steep it wasn't how I wanted it. Left my main clearances a little too loose for a street motor and didn't back their work up. Dan Nelson had my heads for about three weeks when I realized he had gotten no where with them so I let him know how I felt and we parted ways. B&R then did the valve job, installed my springs, and slightly milled the heads for $140 and did it rather quickly.
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03-22-2010, 07:30 PM
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I wasnt bashing eastview for their work on his motor, i said "IF it does turn out to be eastview's fault, I wont be surprised". I already "bashed" them as you say in my previous post. I was just saying it wouldnt surprise me. He said in post #47 what all eastview did on the rebuild. The suggestion i made about "Seems like their work has just gone downhill" was based on my experiences with them spanning 3 years and as I said in the beginning of my post IF it turns out to be eastviews problem. Even if it doesnt, I still dont trust them anymore. |
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03-22-2010, 08:57 PM
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Jimmy Taylor
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Terry did all the machine work and assembled the short block. I installed the heads that he reworked and installed it. and yes I did prime the oil system before I started it. ran great for 200 miles, held 55-60 psi of oil press at idle.
now it idles around 15psi and knocks pretty badly and has absolutely no power.
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03-22-2010, 09:12 PM
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What has Terry had to say about it? |
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03-22-2010, 10:32 PM
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I'm just going by what you have said but I think the oil pick up is either too low or the pick up has fallen off the pump or the oil pump pressure has picked up some crap in the motor and took out a bearing. Does you truck have a oil cooler on it or is it a stock oil system with just a filter and no cooler? I'm interested in knowing what happened. I know there have been some crappy oil pumps out on the market and they have failed and done some serious damage. On another note some builders have had other people clean the blocks and what not and some left over machined crap will be very hard to get out of the oil passages and this too will do the same thing and it's said it's the most common problem for a bearing failure in a fresh rebuild. Do your self a favor and remove the oil filter and take it over to Wayne Equipment and have a oil analysis run to help find the problem make sure you get a oil sample too. The report will show everything in the oil and what metal is found an so on. |
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03-23-2010, 01:12 AM
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Jimmy Taylor
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The truck has the stock oil system, but it does have a oil cooler built into it. I am almost positive that Terry did the cleaning on the block. I spoke with Terry yesterday after it happened. He initially told me to pull the engine and bring it to him. I told him I felt I shouldnt be responsible for pulling it unless he wanted to pay me labor cost for it. He told me to get the truck down to him and he would take a look at it and see whats going on. I had AAA pick it up and drop it off at his shop. He said he would take it down to the shop down the street from him (Im not sure who this is) put it on the rack and take a look at it. He is supposed to get back to me tommorow.
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03-23-2010, 05:58 AM
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I hope they pull the oil pan and see whats up. |
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03-24-2010, 02:42 AM
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Jimmy Taylor
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Talked to Terry, he took my truck down to Conns, he seems to think its the crank. They will pull the engine and then hes gonna tear it back down and re do it. I cant wait to see what he finds.
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03-24-2010, 11:16 AM
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Man that sucks but at least it sounds let he is gonna make it right for you. |
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03-24-2010, 12:06 PM
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agreed... I bet they get this one right because they sure as heck cant make money messing stuff up like that. |
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03-27-2010, 05:47 PM
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stopped by terry's shop on friday. He had the oil pan off and had pulled a couple of the rod caps. Bearings are shot and the crank is now scrap. He plans to replace the crank and bearings and anything else he finds. He suggested that I replace the radiator since it has a oil cooler in it. Thinks its possible that it could have had some metal particles trapped in it.
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03-27-2010, 08:26 PM
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So how did the bearings fail? Last edited by Spinmaster : 03-28-2010 at 12:01 AM. |
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03-27-2010, 08:42 PM
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man thats nuts...somethin wasnt right
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03-27-2010, 09:36 PM
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At least it appears he's gonna take care of you.
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03-27-2010, 10:57 PM
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Thats a sticky one to call. Could have been from crap in the oil cooler or could be from bad work that Terry did? That sucks
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03-28-2010, 01:43 AM
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hes still not sure. He said the oil cooler could be a possibility, but if it had metal in it seems like it would have caused a failure in the old engine. The old engine was worn, but i did not have a mechanical failure, no knocking, and still held 60 psi at idle. The new engine seemed to fail all of a sudden. Like I said when I was there on friday he had just started to dissassemble it so maybe he will find something definative. I did ask about the oil pump and pickup and it was still in place and he does weld tem all so that wasnt the problem. |
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03-28-2010, 08:28 AM
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Yea Jim it sounds like it more then likely was something to do with the new build. One of my recent rebuilds started knocking after about 15 miles . Had a gouge in the #1 main bearing but did not spin. Turns out I needed to align hone it badly. If multiple bearings are shot then this wasn't just a rouge piece of debris, and I would certainly get a rad at this point if you can't be 100% sure it is fully clear of any particles. That one you will have to eat I'm sure... BTW...LOVE the camaro. Do you have some more pictures of it somewhere?? Last edited by Pearl Z : 03-28-2010 at 08:30 AM. |
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03-28-2010, 03:24 PM
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From what your saying, it sounds like the oil pump took a crap. I would definetly swap the raditor out and flush out all the oil lines and blow them out. |
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05-07-2010, 11:48 PM
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Jimmy Taylor
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Finally got the truck back. Had to replace all the bearings again and get a new crank. I did replace the rad/oil cooler and the oil lines as well to be safe. Terry backed out of it. He said he couldnt find anything that he did wrong. Hes blaming it on the oil cooler, Im not buying it. He charged me for the parts and half of the labor to r&r. cost me about another $700. between this and what I paid the first time I could have bought a brand new one from GM. Im sure Terry knows his shit, but I got screwed in this deal. This is why I never take my vehicles anywhere for service, people just dont care enough to make sure things are right. Seems to be running good now but I had to replace the radiator hoses again as soon as I got it back because someone had carelessly cut almost all the way through the upper with a razor blade and the lower had a pin hole in it. They were both replaced when I put the engine in it so I know it was done at Conns. I also almost lost the PS pump because they only put one bolt back in it. lesson learned. |
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05-08-2010, 10:05 AM
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Wow, Jim. Sorry to hear about this, sounds like you did get screwed. On top of that the hose and PS pump issues?!?!
Glad its running again though. |
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05-08-2010, 01:39 PM
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DAMN.. I guess I'll have to find another shop too.
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05-08-2010, 04:38 PM
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i dont see the cooler causing a failure like that. I have never had any dealings with eastview but you think they would foot the bill for a stock crank, bearings & labor, i wouldnt think it would be a big deal to them if its going to cost a potential repeat customer.. im going to stick with auburndale. sorry to hear about your expensive lesson learned.
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05-08-2010, 05:26 PM
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After hearing everyone's horror stories, I don't think I'll ever use a machine shop to repair or modify an engine block. It seems much, much cheaper to just buy a factory new one than roll the dice and probably pay the machine shop twice. Seriously, I'd be surprised if the club's success rate with machine shops working on blocks is as high as 50%.
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05-08-2010, 08:42 PM
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Really sorry to hear that man.
Im not buying the oil cooler story either. I know shit happens, but these guys are suppose to be experts. I would have payed my lawyer $700 instead of eastview and MADE them make it right. Atleast now you and everyone who reads this knows how they handle problems with theyre work. |
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05-08-2010, 09:52 PM
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I actually have free legal service through my employer. I did want to explore that option but the truck is used for my business and without it I cant work. I knew if I mentioned legal action it would have been put on the back burner and I needed it back right away. I decided to bite the bullet and consider it a expensive learning experience. |
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05-10-2010, 10:29 PM
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sounds almost exactly like what happened to me. chaulk up another bad experience from eastview/conn's. sucks man. sorry it happened to you too.
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05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
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05-11-2010, 08:27 PM
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I hope it doesn't either. Good luck with it. Let me know how it turns out. Thanks to all for your help and suggestions. |
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